Tuesday, October 28, 2008

Nick Faldo Swingvision


CGA...I hit the WRONG button ,,, I AGREE w/ your comment. Love Faldo's swing
cgasucks (2 månader sedan) My favorite swing...Els is a close second...
emncaity (3 månader sedan) Wow, thanks for posting. Great swing, great player, really miss seeing him compete.
hogansquest (3 veckor sedan) yeah me too it seems a shame but maybe we will see him have a real go on senior tour over next few years, but golf gave nick so much and took so much away from him, so maybe hes just decided hes got nothing to prove anymore.
emncaity (3 veckor sedan) Quite sure that's true--just as with Greg Norman. Golf has been overrun with people who think Tiger invented the game, the competition now is better than it's ever been (you know, "these guys are good" promotions), etc. I would imagine guys like Faldo and Norman figure that anybody who knows anything about golf remembers that they were #1 and remembers how they played, and those are the only people that matter. You can't make a further reputation with dolts.

Sunday, October 26, 2008

Stack and Tilt


In my opinion, unnatural junk. From one false move to another. Compensation after compensation, and from a physio's point of view, big problems as you get older.
efranssens (2 månader sedan)

Just watch Ben Hogen or Sam Sneed....
SBPStudio (2 månader sedan)

Loving this swing thusfar. However my front knee hurts more than ever. Ive been using it for about a week now.I might need a tweak of some sort. Any ideas?
TheTeam4 (2 månader sedan)

I was a little sore first using the swing probably because my body was not use to the changes in swinging a golf club. So, I stretch a little more before a round of golf.
jumbo21515G (1 månad sedan)

Have you tried opening your stance (front foot) a bit more?
jumbo21515G (1 månad sedan)

Have you tried opening your stance (front foot) a bit more?
Noallegiance (1 månad sedan)

Developed after 20 years of research? More like stolen after 5 years of lessons.

Friday, October 10, 2008

Stack and Tilt video


i really ike the follow through, looks very powerful and controlled
jochooi (1 year ago)
Stacked yes, but where's the tilt?
fogelbaby (1 year ago)
the tilt is in the downswing. the left shoulder comes up as the tight tilts under
ambush923 (1 year ago)
Its a better way to swing, none of that sliding on the back swing
pecky1234 (1 year ago)
great swing but the whole stack and tilt thing, i fink, doesn't work with a driver. you get so far forward and on top its very difficult to stay behind the ball and hit it properly
USA50cal (1 year ago)
It is not as bad as you think. It all depends on your swing speed and shaft selection. Stiff shaft and about 90-95 swing speed, and it is very efficient.
hogansking (9 months ago)
What you're saying here has no bearing whatsoever.
USA50cal (9 months ago)
Stay forward with the stack and tilt method and use an extremely fast swing speed with a regular flex shaft. Your swing gets so steep and so fast, the club is way behind your body. You will get bad pushes, and dead pulls when trying to overcompensate.
hogansking (9 months ago
There are 3 initial directions the ball can travel on when leaving the clubface (straight, right or left of target...basic ball flight laws).If you are ahead of it (as many amateurs are whether they stack & tilt or not)the ball can leave the clubface in any of the 3 previously mentioned directions depending on the nature of thecompensation....
hogansking (9 months ago)
Furthermore 90-95 mph is not an extremely fast clubhead speed and does not warrant a stiff shaft which will worsen the pushing effect to the right for the RH golfer. Subconciously of course this golfer will overcompensate for not being able to square the face and susequently pull the ball. Come on... this is pretty basic stuff.
USA50cal (9 months ago)
Of course the club is harder to square with a shaft that is too stiff for your particular swing. But a stiff shaft can be suitable for an individual that has a 90-95 swing speed. While everything you are saying is true, all I am saying is that a stiff shaft is fine for stack and tilt with a moderate swing speed.
hogansking (9 months ago)
What would usually be considered a standard stiff shaft is practically always too stiff for the golfer with this clubhead speed. Even for those whom have have an abrupt transition and load the shaft early in the downswing. If driver clubhead speed is closer to 100 or more, then yes a regular shaft can be too soft and lag behind for those whom load it early. Again S&T or not.
johnm41887 (6 months ago)
if what you are saying is true about 100mph clubhead speed being good for a stiff shaft, then that means a lot of the shorter hitting pga pros (zach johnson, steve stricker, etc.) are playing too stiff a shaft and should go down to a stiff shaft, because they only average between 100-108 mph clubhead speed and they all use x-stiff shafts. most shaft manufacturers have their stiff shafts suited for players with a swing speed of 90mph and up.
hogansking (6 months ago)
The average driving distance on tour is 280.9 Zach is 268 and 280 last year. Stricker is tour avg (this year). I didn't check his stats for last year. A couple of things: Avg. driving distance is not recorded on every hole (used to be 2 holes only & maybe still is) On occasion the player may not be using his driver on the hole being used to record the distance. This then throws off the stats. Typically every mph hour of clubhead speed with driver= 2.35 to 2.5 yards of carry...
hogansking (6 months ago)
Todays technology works in an exponential manner meaning the more clubhead speed the longer the ball flies in proportion to that speed. This being said you can't rely exactly on the stats to determine Zach's & Steve's clubhead speed. For sure Zach is somewhere around 108 & Steve is a little higher. They are not in the say 100-105 mph range. You can't forget that there is more than just clubhead speed that goes into the equation when determining shaft flex.
FamilyHealthTeam (1 year ago)
You are stacked over your right foot, and the tilt comes from the tilting of your body towards the target at the top of your swing.Google: Stack and Tilt golf.
faderjoe (11 months ago)
No- You stack over the left leg. No rightward movement. The Tilt is out and down over the left knee from a spine tilt with a slight turn of the right shoulder toward the target. google- Sam Snead.
faderjoe (11 months ago)
Stack and Tilt is Snead, Hogan, Nicklaus. Pure and Simple. It is not the current pga instruction of today- the move to the right leg and move back to the left. That is Ballard, McLean and Ledbetter and everyone else that fails to see how the spine works in a golf swing. This stroke works for everyone.
hogansking (10 months ago)
You put up any swing of Hogan, Nicklaus or Snead and I'll show you how to look at it & help you realize there is absolutely no tilt towards the target during the backswing...and if you believe the spine should tilt towards the target during this phase of the swing then you truly have no idea "how the spine works in a golf stroke". That you can take to the bank!
wethepeople14 (11 months ago)
i think stack and tilt is a suitable way to swing but it is tough on the body. The lower body is driving hard to produce the power and at the same time the upper body is moving slightly back(tilt) to level the bottom of the swing arc out. The player has to stay in good condition or back problems could occur. Correct me if i'm wrong but all the guys on tour that use stack and tilt are in really good condition.
hogansking (9 months ago)
You're right. The upper body in moving back too much to level out the bottom of the swing can cause lower back issues (L4, L5) with overuse. As the spine rotates towards target with speed the spine should not be extending this way. Although Fred Couples never stayed on his left side he did tilt and then tilted back. Disc sheer was the result, maybe also because of a degenerative problem but his swing didn't help...
hogansking (9 months ago)
Keep in mind that Badds, Weir... don't tilt towards the target as described in the Golf Digest. Check out my Weir viedeo.
KngZ28 (11 months ago)
This is very similar to what I have developed for myself to stop the "sway" and "sliding hips" I used to have. Now I'm trying to figure out how to move with power and still hit high long irons. That's the hardest part of this style, getting air with low lofted clubs, and maintain distance without a reverse pivot.
pecky1234 (11 months ago)
stack and tilt doesnt work. they have removed the problem of sliding and swaying, and created a new one of incorrect spine angle. ur tailbone has to be closer to the target than ur head at impact. fact. evry gr8 player is like that. everyone. so to move from tilting toward the target at the top, to away from it at impact is more of a problem than swaying
333pg333 (10 months
Erghh!! It's ugly and bad for your back no matter what they say. If you want to see someone with great body angles look at Rod Pampling. At the top coming down into the ball there is a resemblance to another golfer who was renown for his ball-striking...Hogan.
adsfigo (10 months ago)
Stack and tilt is a bad way to phrase the swing, the golf swing is a motion and at no time does the player 'stop' to stack or tilt in the swing. Its a very effective method to build a tight and compact swing, but any good player can see that its just resisting the turn on the backswing and keeping the head fixed over the ball. I personally feel the results are more consistent shots and i highlight the word consistent, not necessarily 'better' shots.
adsfigo (10 months ago)
Although looking at this again this player doesn't seem to resist the turn, a better example is aaron baddeley.
golfmac1 (10 months ago)
best golfer alive
JosefromParaguay (9 months ag
I had one of the Starters talk to me about Stack and Tilt the other day on the range. He said it gave him confidence and was able to hit shots better. Look it doesn't matter the style you swing the club, though path and plane are extremely important. Golf is about putting the ball in the hole. That is it. People forget that though sometimes.
eliyates2 (9 months ago)
you can have the ugliest swing in the world but as long as you maintain good lag and have good contact with the clubface and ball at impact then you will be a fine golfer... besides its the shortgame that matters most.
Derbygirltown (9 months a
I can see there are definite similarities with Hogan~that is the bottom line. What a great swing! the dream swing! We would all like to have stack and tilt problems of the so called bad back! ha. Must be a comment from a pro that teaches a different method?
hogansking (9 months ago)
Many professional golfers have bad backs...why do you think that is?
robbenandronaldo (7 months ago
The position at the top of his backswing looks well-loaded. What a lovely swing!Stack and Tilt FTW!
j3j33 (6 months ag
I tried the stack and tilt this afternoon on the range. The first suggestion they make is more weight on the front foot. This is very similar to the age old lesson about chipping...and value of the chipping stance seems to be of the same value in the full shot. Don't know why someone didn't think of this a long time ago.
andypatnou (5 months ag
Does he have a 10 finger grip?
juicysteak (3 months ago)
It works for me and wasn't bad on the back after 100 balls at the range and 9 holes. I've never hit the irons so straight or consistent. I've always hit the irons high and long (when solid contact is made) and that didn't change with S&T. Hitting the driver was more of a challenge. To make it work I found myself choking up a tad and taking my backswing on a higher plane. I had no problem with distance. This is a great swing for me!
WilsonStaffCPGA (3 months ago)
the stack and tilt swing is the professional way to recover from a reverse pivot it is not the best way to swing, it is not consistant enough to be used by the big pro's. Tiger woods, Phil, Padraig etc... If this was the best way to swing it then these big names would be doing it to. a reverse pivot is the worst thing you can do to hit the ball!! By the was 90 95 mph warrants a regualr flex, I am 120 and 130 when i rip at it i use x flex with mid kick point and 2.7 torque!!
WilsonStaffCPGA (3 months ago
being stacked on top of the ball is what you are supposed to do but you should be stacked and balanced!!
worldchamp2007 (3 months ago)
What is right or wrong for the top professionals has little bearing on my game. I am at my own (very low) skill level and also have my own physiology (strengths/weaknesses, joint angles, etc.)The S&T is not for everyone, for sure. I also agree with your comment about 'stacked and balanced'. I found that keeping myself balanced over the ball for the entire swing produced more consistent results. I was out in 110 degree weather yesterday and was sticking the irons. 190 yards, 6I - boom!
uvrs66 (1 month ag
Wow! Are you by any chance into yourself a little bit? Hmmm?
WilsonStaffCPGA (1 month ago)
if you are talking to me I teach golf for a living and work with some of the biggest teachers in Canada. Stack and Tilt is not the best way to go about it. Driver is to hard to control!!
quasar1983 (1 month ago
I just tried hit today for a few balls, and experienced unprecedent success with my driver. I have to admit my irons were a little low..but I will work on that. It seems to be an interesting way to swing. I'm an 8 handicap.

Thursday, October 2, 2008

Some words about Stack and Tilt golf swing


Has Stack and Tilt worked for you?
If you are a savvy fan of the golf swing, you have probably heard somewhere along the line of the new "Stack and Tilt" swing, as invented by Philadelphians Andy Plummer and Mike Bennett. Many probably read the section in Golf Digest, touting the new found success of Australian Aaron Baddeley ever since he dropped David Leadbetter and started with this swing.
However, some golf fans have not found the cure, or "the revolution" as Plummer and Bennett refer to it, yet.
For those of you who have given it a shot, how has the stack and tilt swing worked for you?
If you are struggling, check out this video courtesy of YouTube and Shawn Clement, director of the Richmond Hill Golf Learning Center.

at 5:32 PM


21 comments:
Anonymous said...
The stack and tilt has improved my game tremendously, I have gone from a 90's shooter to low 80's since applying these methods.
10:44 AM
Anonymous said...
My instructor has moved to stack and tilt and is now teaching it to his students. For me, I have a habit of hitting fat, and this addresses it. I am hitting the ball squarer and further then I ever have in the past. Very simple style of swing, essentially only a two move swing. It eliminates timing errors of weight shifting. I think this is a great swing for mid to high handicappers.
6:00 PM
Tom W. said...
I'm 60 yrs old, have a 7.3 index at a forgiving local public course (http://www.willowgolf.com), and have played, analyzed (and loved) the game for 53 years.I read the Stack & Tilt article twice, and got very enthusiastic. It just made all kinds of sense to me. Yesterday (no practice sessions) I just went out and played a round. I could not believe the difference. Stack & Tilt eliminated my long, weight-shifting, wristy, slightly out-to-in swing and replaced it with a short, simple, connected one. It's like someone else is hitting the ball. I can't believe how far the ball goes, considering my backswing feels like it's about half the length it was before.Example: Three years ago, aided by a 35 mph tailwind I drove the green from the middle (white) tees on a 280 yard par 4, which plays across a pond. I remember putting everything I had into it - I haven't made it since.Yesterday I was pin high just to the left of that green; against a 5-10 mph crossing breeze! I hit the shot with a normal swing effort which always leaves me about 30 to 50 yards short. It didn't feel any different except when I looked up I saw a lower, more penetrating ball flight with a slight draw. Trust me - that's not how I usually hit the ball (grin).My ball flight is now right-to-left or straight, and it seems that I have greatly reduced my chances for swing errors by adopting Stack & Tilt. It really feels different - much shorter, and for the first time I now understand what a "connected" swing feels like.
12:43 PM
Anonymous said...
It has improved all aspects of my ball striking.. especially driving (both length and accuracy). All in a few weeks with no formal instruction! The best part is I now have my confidence back. Thank you Bennett and Plummer for thinking outside the box!
3:43 PM
Anonymous said...
Tried the swing out on the course and I have to say I'm converted. I'm a 12 handicapper and haven't seen huge improvement in my swing even with a couple of lessons every year. There were always too many moving parts that had to be aligned in order to hit the sweet spot of the club.I like the fact that by taking the weight shift and head shift out of the equation, I was able to concentrate more on staying connected through the back swing.I must say I didn't have huge success with the 'jumping up' move at impact. But I still think the merits outweigh what I haven't been able to master.I'm a fan the stack and tilt.
11:52 AM
Golf Champ said...
So, last week I decided to make the switch to the S&T. The reason being that I had been on vacation and my ball striking was miserable when I came back. As soon as I started using the swing, I made amazing contact. The success of the swing type is truly spectacular.I love the stack and tilt and would recommend it for any amateur golfer.
7:27 PM
Anonymous said...
I went to the stack and tilt method a little less than a month ago, and I have never hit the ball so well. For the first time in my life the majority of my range session are good to excellent, and there have been some where I hit virtually every shot between the screws. This is amazing for me, since I always struggled to make solid contact.This has been reflected on the course as well, as I have on more than one occasion hit 10 greens in a row in regulation, something I couldn't even dream of before. Not surprisingly, my handicap has dropped; I was a four handicap who was struggling to stay there, but now I'm a three and will drop to at least a 2.4 after the next revision date. It's quite simply the correct way to hit the ball.I do have to point out, though, that the two men who have popularized this method DID NOT invent it -- they just christened it stack and tilt.
1:48 AM
onewayray said...
I love it! I move off the ball like Curtis Strange and have always had a hard time getting back to the ball. I would find myself getting the club caught behind me. With the Stack and Tilt I am staying over the ball and hitting the ball much more consistently. I have also seen a great improvement in my sand game. I recently qualified for a National tournament and couldn't be happier!
12:52 PM
onewayray said...
I love it! I move off the ball like Curtis Strange and have always had a hard time getting back to the ball. I would find myself getting the club caught behind me. With the Stack and Tilt I am hitting the ball much more consistantly. I have also seen a great improvement in my sand game.
12:54 PM
mac810 said...
Was looking through old Golf Digest's and came across the Stack & Tilt article and decided to go to the range and try it. I have never hit the ball so flush and consistently in my life.Tried it on the course yesterday, did not hit the driver as well as I would like, but after about 5 holes I was hitting everything but the driver flush.Just found part 2 of the article on line and they address the driver a little more, so I'm hoping I will be hitting that like my other clubs soon.
1:25 PM
Anonymous said...
The guy in the video clearly has no clue about the S&T. He can be seen shifting and swaying off the ball during his drills. Note the lateral movement of his head on his feet together drill. Also, he sets up with his centers behind the ball, which can be the bane of the conventional swinger. Look at the vid of Will Mackenzie and compare this guy with Will. There are no similarities between the two. This pro should go back and read and learn what the GD articles say, and then he should carefully practice the move before providing an analysis. Nothing says "charlattan" more than an uninformed instructor.
1:36 PM
Anonymous said...
I have briefly tried the stack and tilt over the last 3 weeks. I read the initial article and found it interesting, but dismissed it as another fad swing. I then saw the followup article in golf digest and was at a point where I was willing to try something new. I was truly amazed. I studied the article and tried it. I saw immediate improvement in accuracy,distance and a newfound consistency. Honsestly, it seemed too good to be true. So far, though it HAS held up-I pray it remains that way. The adjustments for the driver swing in the 2nd golg digest article were very helpful.
5:00 PM
Anonymous said...
it is indeed the cure for me... once a 5.9 HC and recently ballooned to 10 due to rib and back pain... SaT has enabled me to play pain free for the past two weeks... and I've already dipped back down to an 8.5... which would be even lower had I been able to putt better tooIn a nutshell:I am hitting longer by a club to a club and a halfi am hitting controllable drawsI am hitting straighterI can make a pain free _full_ turnI can hit long ironsI can now hit a driver using SaT - I just grip down about 2" on the driver and hit solid , longer, straighter drivesoh yeah... did I mention I'm playing pain free for the first time in four years?what's not to like about?
3:01 PM
Anonymous said...
I will agree with all of the statements above. The swing is sound and adds distance to every club. The first thing I noticed was a gain of 25 yards to my driver and I have never been known as a short hitter. Yesterday I got 3 yards short of a tough 555 yd. par 5 in two shots. The only new comment I can add is, the harder I swing the better the contact becomes. I really like to go after the ball and now I can really make the ball explode.
12:13 PM
Anonymous said...
I have gone from a 6 handicap to a 1 this summer thanks to S&T. I have played for 30+ years, tried various swing theories including Jimmy Ballard / Connection and S&T works the best. Now at 40 years old, I am playing the best golf of my life. My shot dispersion has decreased dramatically and I hit the ball solidly much more consistently. Now, is there S&T for putting!!?!?
2:33 PM
Tom said...
Unbelievable....Goodbye fat and thin shots. Went from 16HC to 12. Not sure if if S & T is good for the driver. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
12:02 PM
Anonymous said...
S&T swing I can hit the driver, man goal to keep head steady, hitting it a long way 270+ now, before about the same but much more accurate, and irons better controal and distence such as 7 irons 175-180 yards normal, and easy to cut/draw/high/low.
8:54 PM
Timothy said...
The stack and Tilt swing has been an epiphany for me. I have been playing golf for almost one year and have taken lessons, but until I discovered the Stack and Tilt swing, it was very hard to maintain any consistency without spending a lot of time at the range hitting balls which got expensive.After reading about the stack & tilt, I went to the range and was hitting shots much more solid and longer with a slight draw. So far where I was hitting a four iron is now a five. This swing has made me a much more consistent ball striker with less swing anxiety that I had from the conventional swing because my body doesn't move off the ball. This week I will take the swing to the course and report back on how it worked out.
9:48 PM
Timothy said...
Today I took the Stack and Tilt swing to the range and the results were very positive. I shot 42 on a local course's front nine. My usual score for nine is hovers between 49 and 51. For starters, the S & T swing is a very athletic swing; to make this swing work, one has to be some what aggresive on down swing. I hit 6 out of the 9 fairways and 5 G.I.R's. My shots were long and straight with a gentle fade. The greens I did miss were just shy of the green either to the left or the right for easy up and downs. My ball striking was fairly consistent for a new swing change. The highlight of my game was a 280 yard bomb on the fifth hole that put me within 100 yards of the green. Some things that came to my attention with the S& T swing is that 1.) It is a very physically taxing swing due to being a rotational swing. 2.) To hit the driver what worked for me was teeing the ball low and choking up on it bit. 3.) What makes this swing really work is the hip movement; if the hip turn gets lazythen this swing goes south real quick. As a matter of fact, the only bad shot I hit was because of lazy hips. 4.) Speaking for myself, I found that starting the downswing with hips allowed for the straightest shots with a slight draw. With this swing I realized that I was constantly slicing and pushing my driver shots was because my arms were always getting stuck behind me on the downswing. With the S & T swing I initiate the downswing with my hips and clear my left side so that my arms can swing around my body more freely. The S &T swing has allowed me to hit the driver much straighter. Lastly, rotating the arms around the body on the back swing is key as well. Also, make sure your left arm is on the same plane as your shoulder by keeping your hands low on the take away. Overall, I am pleased with the S & T swing; I expect to break 80 with it before the golf season ends here in Kentucky. The next time out I will be more comfortable with the S & T.
8:51 PM
Anonymous said...
For stack and tilt driver problems my way to correct it was to move the ball outside my front foot at address. Due to the steeper angle of attack the arc of the circle needs more time to start up so by giving this extra distance to the ball that solved the problem.
5:44 PM
Anonymous said...
Got the DVD set and watched Disc 1 three nites in a row and then went and played 9 without hitting a single ball before hand. Hit the last 3 greens in regulation. Watched Disc 1 for the next 2 nites and again did not practice at all before playing 9 holes. The result? 7 out of 7 fairways and 8 out of 9 greens. The swing is an absolute dream come true. Because of work, I never get to hit balls during the week. I just take a 7 iron and take about 10swings in the yard every evening when I get home from work. I also make it a point to watch Disc 1 at least every other night to ingrain the fundamentals and imprint the visuals in my brain. BEWARE! You will pick up 1 to 2 clubs in distance so account for that when it comes to club selection. I recommend starting with 1 club less than you usually use (take a 9 where you usually hit an 8, etc.) This swing is simple, it's long, and deadly accurate. Give it a full month of study and some backyard practice and YOU WILL BE AMAZED!